Comment on October 1st, 2007.
The problem will be the property. Give ECUSA the property when you leave and there will be no animosity. I believe you will find that they don’t care about the church. They care about the buildings.
Comment on October 2nd, 2007.
I have not been keeping up with the EC lectionary…but this passage was our Gospel reading on Sunday. Coincidence? Or is it one of those things God is trying to tell me? You know, when you see a certain scripture in several different places all in a short time frame?
Interesting post. I keep thinking, though, that there’s a difference between loving those who persecute you and choosing to stand there and take it? If church is the one place you are supposed to be able to go to to hear God’s truth and receive the sacraments, and the same church is the one that you struggle with, what then? Can’t we show mercy but also remove ourselves from further harm? Does love and mercy in this situation equal acquiesence? What about the children…and Jesus’ words about not harming the children/causing them to sin? Are we causing our children harm staying in such a church? If we believe the church leaders are engaging in sin unrepented, then what? Dang, this is hard.
Comment on October 2nd, 2007.
When the angel came to free Peter from prison, was he supposed to stay in chains and in prison? “No, really, thank you for the opportunity for the freedom, but I think I’ll stay and love my captors instead.” No, Peter was supposed to leave (led by an angel and all). But, when Paul was in prison and the earthquake hit, he was to stay until freedom was delivered through other means. (He was however, physically ministered to by the jailer.) In both instances, they (Peter and Paul) were freed because it was the will of God. And sometimes it is the will of God that we are martyred for our faith. (But self-imposed captivity or self-imposed martyrdom? I don’t think so.)
Comment on October 3rd, 2007.
Amy said: “Can’t we show mercy but also remove ourselves from further harm?”
In my view, yes, absolutely, and we must!! What is the central ethic of the “Torah of the Messiah”? (Just asking rhetorically, as I know you know.) “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” If a body can’t respect and love and care for themselves and those closest to them, then how can they possibly “do unto others” in the correct spirit of the “Torah of the Messiah”? How you treat yourself (and I’d say, how you view the nature of the Divine, too) is inextricably linked to how you’ll “do unto others.”
Comment on October 4th, 2007.
I’ve been thinking a lot about mercy and loving those who persecute you lately. It’s not biblical, but it was merciful for the mouse to pull the thorn out of the lion’s paw. I believe it is merciful for me to discipline my children when they misbehave. And loving, too. Love for them and the world…because it’ll be easier for everyone if they know how to get along in this life.
After reading your questions again, I still have the sense that like always, you have answers to the questions you ask. Of course there is another way. Just leave, don’t schism, don’t sue. That only makes one entity happy. There are life jackets available all over the Bosphorus…and you can pray for the leaders of TEC from anywhere. I do. Please post some more thoughts.
Comment on October 5th, 2007.
“Do we who are doctrinally correct have the ‘right’ to sue and castigate our opponents?”
Not easily, not if you want to take Jesus’ and biblical teachings seriously (ie, not if you want to be doctrinally correct.)
How can any one of you with a case against another dare to bring it to the unjust for judgment instead of to the holy ones?…I say this to shame you. Can it be that there is not one among you wise enough to be able to settle a case between brothers? Now indeed (then) it is, in any case, a failure on your part that you have lawsuits against one another. Why not rather put up with injustice? Why not rather let yourselves be cheated?”
I Corintians 6
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